sacred name movement errors-beware

[peterpaint]

since I've left this false cult after about a yr and a half, I've learned an awful lot about it, and I'd like to share with you all. We're supposed to study to show ourselves approved.... I thought that I was drawing closer to God by learning the so called hebrew roots with the hebrew names, etc. I was/am a Oneness Apostolic acts 2:38 believer, baptized in Jesus wonderful name, but was told some lies and fell into a trap of false doctrines galore. After many doctrinal disagreements and witnessing for myself these devils in action, I now want to inform other true believers about this cult so you don't go down that trail as I did and save yourselves time and agrivation, and instead learn their errors and fight against this movement, which hates and wants to destroy the name of Jesus. Please take the time to study from these sites and write your thoughts, if you would. May the LORD Jesus bless you all.

www.whyapostolic.com  -go to Bible studies and click on "the sacred name"
www.sacrednamemovement.com  -or punch in "sacred name movement errors" (about yahweh and yahshua)


bro pete

[Bro. Steve Winter]

since I've left this false cult after about a yr and a half, I've learned an awful lot about it, and I'd like to share with you all. We're supposed to study to show ourselves approved.... I thought that I was drawing closer to God by learning the so called hebrew roots with the hebrew names, etc. I was/am a Oneness Apostolic acts 2:38

I knew they were fruitcakes but I wasn't sure all the details why.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 

Regards,

Bro. Winter

[Steveb]

Exo 6:1  And the Lord said to Moses, Now you will see what I am about to do to Pharaoh; for by a strong hand he will be forced to let them go, driving them out of his land because of my outstretched arm.

Exo 6:2  And God said to Moses, I am Yahweh:

Exo 6:3  I let myself be seen by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God, the Ruler of all; but they had no knowledge of my name Yahweh.

Exo 6:4  And I made an agreement with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their wanderings.

Exo 6:5  And truly my ears are open to the cry of the children of Israel whom the Egyptians keep under their yoke; and I have kept in mind my agreement.

Exo 6:6  Say then to the children of Israel, I am Yahweh, and I will take you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians, and make you safe from their power, and will make you free by the strength of my arm after great punishments.


 Fruitcakes indeed ! Hrrrrmmppp!

[Bro. Steve Winter]

 Fruitcakes indeed ! Hrrrrmmppp!

Unrepentant false-christian scum are not welcome to publish here, sorry.

Bro. Winter

[yvette1485]

Sincere question:  Am I in error because I don't use the English pronunciation (gee-zus), but rather the Tagalog pronunciation (hay-soos)?  What about the Chinese who pronounce His Name "Ye-su"? 

I know of an Apostolic church in Jordan.  They pronounce His Name "Isa" or "Yassou"

I would imagine that Israeli Apostolics pronounce His Name the way his mother gave it to Him and the way everyone else around Him during that time pronounced it.  There are many debates as to exactly how it was pronounced and spelled, but one thing is for sure:  They did not spell it "Jesus" and they did not pronounce it "gee-zus".  They did not speak English.

I'm glad God is not bound by language, and whether you call Him "hay-soos", "gee-zus", "ye-su" or "Yassou", He knows exactly who you are talking about.

[Bro. Steve Winter]

Sincere question:  Am I in error because I don't use the English pronunciation (gee-zus), but rather the Tagalog pronunciation (hay-soos)?  What about the Chinese who pronounce His Name "Ye-su"? 

I will just mention that it was God who created languages so that people saying the same thing would use different sounds to do so.   
That said, names often are the same regardless of the language.    The Name of God in English is Jesus.  In Spanish, it is pronounced differently than in Engish.

Bro, Winter

[yvette1485]

Whether you speak English, Greek, or Hebrew the name Jesus is the same. They only difference is the spelling.

In other languages the pronounuciation is different, but the spelling is identical to English.

There is only one God and he is the LORD and his name is Jesus.

btw: In case you were wondering... when the KJV was first printed in English in 1611, English only had 18 letters and Jesus was spelled iiesus.

bkw
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http://www,thetruthofthebible.com

That is not entirely accurate.  The Hebrew name is "Yeshua Ha Mashiach", which means "Jesus The Messiah".  "Yeshua" is not pronounced "gee-zus" in Hebrew.

In other languages where the spelling is different, it is not always pronounced the same.  Chinese would be one example as well as Indonesian, in which it is spelled "Yesus" and pronounced with a "y" sound.  In Tahitian it is "Jetu". 

In most Philippine languages it is spelled "Jesus" and pronounced "hay-soos".  It is spelled this way here because of Spanish influence. 

I was aware that Jesus was once spelled "Iesus".  It wasn't until 1634 that the first English language book was published that made the distinction between the letters "i" and "j".  It was an Italian who first made the distinction between the "i" sound and the "j" sound and that was around the 1500s.  I guess it didn't catch on in English until later.  Until that time, "j" was pronounced with a "y" sound.  So, whether it's Yesus, Iesous, Yeshua, Jetu, or Jesus, God knows when we speak His Name.

[peterpaint]

from what I've learned concerning the languages and spellings at the time of Jesus, they were multi cultural, multi lingual. In Acts 2: 4-12, they were all jews gathered and they all heard them speaking, every man in his own language, and they were from all of the surrounding areas, speaking the language of where they lived. Iesus, Iesvs, Iesous, however its spelled in the 1st english bibles as translated from the greek, according to the rules of grammar, the "J" sound already did exist. Because a vowel followed the "I" it was spoken with the "j" sound. Later, they came out with the tail end on the "I" to clarify words with that sound. Some people used the "Y" sound but from what I understand, that is poor grammar and the Y should actually be a J. Also if you check out the studies entitled "The name of Jesus" and also "The sacred name" @ www.whyapostolic.com, you"ll be blessed. Also, some people say that Jesus' name was Jehoshua (there are many spellings and pronounciations of this) because in Hebrews 4 and in acts chap 7 the name of Jesus is written where Joshua's name should be. However, the name of Joshua, Yeshua, Jehoshua, Yahushua, etc, was ALWAYS translated into greek as Iesus or Jesus. But there are absolutely not even one instance where Jesus' name is written any other way than we have it in the greek. And there are only the greek writings that we have and any other language is something that was translated from those same greek writtings. Also the septugent was translated into greek 270-280 yrs BC, because the people, even the jewish, spoke greek predominately. And everywhere that Joshuas name was, was translated as Jesus. Also check out that other site: www.sacrednamemovement.com and read up errors regarding the names, and languages, etc.

Be blessed
bro pete

[Bro. Steve Winter]

So the bottom line is that the Name of Jesus is "Jesus".  That's what I thought.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins

Bro. Winter

[peterpaint]

yes siree Pastor, Amen, so be it, I'll praise JESUS, and no one else.