Doctrinal Discussions > Basic Monotheism 101
God Loves Trinitarians
Mike Matos:
All trinitarians have some sort of relationship with Jesus Christ, but there is more truth and relationship available to you. In Acts 19:1-6 those that had not been baptized in Jesus Name and had not received the Holy Ghost were considered disciples. They just didnt have everything that God wanted them to have. A loving preacher named Bro. Paul loved these people so much that he kindly explained the truth to them in love and they were Baptized in Jesus Name, and they received the Holy Ghost. If you are a trinitarian know the Jesus loves you, and there are a lot of Apostolic Ministers out there that love you, and we explain all things in LOVE.
Bro. Steve Winter:
--- Quote from: Pastor Mike Matos on June 18, 2011, 09:00:01 AM ---All trinitarians have some sort of relationship with Jesus Christ, but there is more truth and relationship available to you. In Acts 19:1-6 those that had not been baptized in Jesus Name and had not received the Holy Ghost were considered disciples. They just didnt have everything that God wanted them to have. A loving preacher named Bro. Paul loved these people so much that he kindly explained the truth to them in love and they were Baptized in Jesus Name, and they received the Holy Ghost. If you are a trinitarian know the Jesus loves you, and there are a lot of Apostolic Ministers out there that love you, and we explain all things in LOVE.
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The problem is, Mike, that some people try to claim "LOVE" as an excuse for their own spiritual whoredom and bearing with deceivers. It is not prudent for any spiritual whore to quote Paul. Please allow me to explain by showing some of what Paul taught about bearing with deceivers. Also keep in mind that the "jesus person" of the trinity is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible.
We see organizational descent into spiritual whoredom, unholiness and compromise. God does not want His ministers "bearing with" or otherwise tolerating false preachers like trinitarians.
Did Paul preach tolerance and fellowship towards deceivers?? Nope!
II Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
II Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
II Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
II Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
II Corinthians 11:16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
II Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak [it] not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
II Corinthians 11:18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
II Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye [yourselves] are wise.
The pride engorged, self righteous, spiritual infidels wallowing with fools to their disgrace.
Let's look back a few verses:
II Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
II Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Notice that Paul fears for their LOSS OF CHASTITY and CORRUPTION
II Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
Just "bearing with" a trinitarian is defined as the manifestation of whoredom and corruption (lack of chastity is "unchaste" or "whorish". One who lacks "fidelity" is an "infidel")
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
II John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
II John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
II John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Let us look back and see what would be the symptoms of the HIGH RISK group for whoredom and infidelity.
2 Cor 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
They COMMEND themselves this "high risk" group. They MEASURE THEMSELVES BY THEMSELVES etc .
2 Cor 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 Cor 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
I hope this helps...
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Mike Matos:
--- Quote from: Bro. Steve Winter on June 18, 2011, 09:23:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pastor Mike Matos on June 18, 2011, 09:00:01 AM ---All trinitarians have some sort of relationship with Jesus Christ, but there is more truth and relationship available to you. In Acts 19:1-6 those that had not been baptized in Jesus Name and had not received the Holy Ghost were considered disciples. They just didnt have everything that God wanted them to have. A loving preacher named Bro. Paul loved these people so much that he kindly explained the truth to them in love and they were Baptized in Jesus Name, and they received the Holy Ghost. If you are a trinitarian know the Jesus loves you, and there are a lot of Apostolic Ministers out there that love you, and we explain all things in LOVE.
--- End quote ---
The problem is, Mike, that some people try to claim "LOVE" as an excuse for their own spiritual whoredom and bearing with deceivers. It is not prudent for any spiritual whore to quote Paul. Please allow me to explain by showing some of what Paul taught about bearing with deceivers. Also keep in mind that the "jesus person" of the trinity is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible.
We see organizational descent into spiritual whoredom, unholiness and compromise. God does not want His ministers "bearing with" or otherwise tolerating false preachers like trinitarians.
Did Paul preach tolerance and fellowship towards deceivers?? Nope!
II Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
II Corinthians 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
II Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
II Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
II Corinthians 11:16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
II Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak [it] not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
II Corinthians 11:18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
II Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye [yourselves] are wise.
The pride engorged, self righteous, spiritual infidels wallowing with fools to their disgrace.
Let's look back a few verses:
II Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
II Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Notice that Paul fears for their LOSS OF CHASTITY and CORRUPTION
II Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
Just "bearing with" a trinitarian is defined as the manifestation of whoredom and corruption (lack of chastity is "unchaste" or "whorish". One who lacks "fidelity" is an "infidel")
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
II John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
II John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
II John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Let us look back and see what would be the symptoms of the HIGH RISK group for whoredom and infidelity.
2 Cor 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
They COMMEND themselves this "high risk" group. They MEASURE THEMSELVES BY THEMSELVES etc .
2 Cor 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 Cor 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
I hope this helps...
Bible studies at http://www.youtube.com/brostevewinter
Bro Steve Winter
For Bible doctrine http://www.TheTruthOfTheBible.com
For Christian music http://www.winterband.com
Are you a real Acts 2:38 Christian or interested in true Christianity?
Join with us at http://www.facebook.com/PentecostalChristians
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Bro. Steve, In Acts 19:1-6 did Paul call the DISCIPLES that were there which had not been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost, "SPIRITUAL WHORES"?
Also Doesnt the scripture refer to these people that had not received the Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus name as disciples????
You can not deny the fact that these people did not have a relationship with the Lord.
Also look at ACTS 10 - Would you say that Cornelius did not have a relationship with the Lord? Did Peter go to his house calling him a "Spiritual WHORE?"
Act 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
Act 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
My point is simply that GOD LOVES TRINITARIANS and you cant deny the fact that they do not love God, and have a relationship with God.
Bro. Steve Winter:
--- Quote from: Pastor Mike Matos on June 18, 2011, 09:34:26 AM ---
Bro. Steve, In Acts 19:1-6 did Paul call the DISCIPLES that were there which had not been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost, "SPIRITUAL WHORES"?
Also Doesnt the scripture refer to these people that had not received the Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus name as disciples????
You can not deny the fact that these people did not have a relationship with the Lord.
Also look at ACTS 10 - Would you say that Cornelius did not have a relationship with the Lord? Did Peter go to his house calling him a "Spiritual WHORE?"
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You are way to ignorant to be coming around pretending to be a pastor, Mike. Paul did not call them spiritual whores but I am calling YOU a spiritual whore and a reprobate and a FAKE! The trinity had not even been invented when Paul walked the earth. You are clearly only here to attack the truth and promote your own spiritual whoredom by scripture twisting.
IT is for the sake of the trinitarian that I labor to cut off occasion to trinity preachers AND spiritual whores and infidels like Mike Matos.
Bro. Winter
TrinityHater:
A more correct viewpoint would be that the love of God is available to trinitarians just as it is available to pagans, witches, homosexuals and the like but for that love to be received it must be received by the Holy Spirit. It is by the Holy Spirit that the love of God is shed in our hearts. God loves the trinitarian in that while they are yet sinners He died for them. This does not imply that the unconditional love of God has been manifested or formed within them. It is impossible for the unregenerate to receive the love of God. One must be born of God to be loved of God just as a child must be born of the mother's womb before a true expression of love can be imparted upon the child.
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