Evils of the trinity

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[Bro. Steve Winter]

So, while you may feel more 'technically' correct in your unitarian/trinitarian argument, stumpofjesse certainly acted much more like Jesus commanded than you did.

I am interested in finding the truth, and hoped this might be a place open to questions, but I'm concerned that if I disagree with you, or do not see the logic of your arguments immediately I will be condemned as 'scum'.

You are obeying your 'pet' verses of scripture very well, but you seem to be ignoring many others.  Why is this?  Do I perceive incorrectly?

There is nothing "loving" about some three-god scum coming in here and playing games to try to deceive souls into hell.

You show a  serious disregard for for the Word of God when you refer to the plethora of verses that show polytheists to be false-christian dirt as "pet verses". 

We don't coddle devils here, especially devils who are just playing games as they labor to deceive souls into hell with them with sugar coated lies.

Being "technically correct" will be the difference between heaven and hell, between Jesus Christ and filthy Roman idolatry.

If there were not verses that are easily misunderstood by the carnal and unregenerate polytheists, we would not have most of the false-christian world heading to hell worshiping their filthy Roman trinity god squad.

If you worship the trinity then you will burn in the Lake of Fire forever and all the whining and excuses in the world won't save you and will actually haunt you there that you could have been so stupid and gullible.

Satanic scum who labor to deceive souls  into hell with polytheism are NOT worthy of even the tiniest respect.

Bro. Steve Winter

[freeway986]

Stumpofjesse came and asked polite questions in an attempt to understand your viewpoint.  What he did was not in any way "playing games trying to deceive souls into hell".

I apologize if I have shown 'disregard' for the verses that show the trinity to be false.  My point is that you appear to be disregarding equally serious verses about loving our enemies and treating others with kindness, and about not judging others, lest we be judged.

May I tell a story as a simple illustration?

Imagine that two people die and stand before God at the final judgment. 

One worked his whole life to love his neighbor as himself, but believed that God was a trinity.  The other worked his whole life to prove that God was not a trinity, but was unkind and disrespectful to others. 

What will God say to each? 

He may say to the first, "You ignored my instructions about myself.  I am one God, not a trinity, and for this you will spend eternity in hell."  Will he not then say to the second, "You ignored my instructions about loving others as you love yourself.  I am love, not hateful, and for this you will spend eternity in hell"?

[Bro. Steve Winter]

Imagine that two people die and stand before God at the final judgment. 

Imagine this, imagine that, is that all you whiny trinity filth can come up with to try to justify deceiving souls into hell?

We have a lot of trinity scum coming here trying to play games by being real nicey nicey as they ask what they feel are loaded questions to try to promote their filthy trinity religion.

There is nothing "loving" about coddling devils as they labor to kill people.  There will be a lot more who are cast into the lake of fire because they were spiritual whores and coddled trinity deceivers to be polite.

It is a sin for a Christian to even "bear with" a deceiver.

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Just "bearing with" a trinitarian deceiver is SIN that will send even those who obeyed Acts 2:38 to hell.

I love my neighbor enough to obey the Bible regarding the trinity filth who labor to deceive my neighbor into hell.  Yea, I even love my enemies enough to obey the Bible regarding the trinity filth who labor to deceive my enemies into hell. 


Bro. Winter

[Bro. Alan]

Freeway986,

Letting someone believe in a lie is not love. We come against false doctrine such as the Trinity to expose it. To let some honest-hearted person believe in the Trinity is not love. If someone truly loved their neighbor, they would not "accept" and "respect" their beliefs, if what they believed was a lie.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The Trinity is probably the most widely accepted false doctrine there is.

[freeway986]

is that all you whiny trinity filth can come up with to try to justify deceiving souls into hell?

I am disappointed that I have already become your enemy.  You don't even know my opinion of the trinity, as I've never stated it, so how can you call me 'trinity filth'?

I love my neighbor enough to obey the Bible

This is not what the Bible commanded.  It says, very clearly, to love your neighbor as yourself.  Will you disregard this scripture?  If you can pick and choose which scripture you want to follow, how can you condemn others who do the same?

[freeway986]

Freeway986,

Letting someone believe in a lie is not love. We come against false doctrine such as the Trinity to expose it. To let some honest-hearted person believe in the Trinity is not love. If someone truly loved their neighbor, they would not "accept" and "respect" their beliefs, if what they believed was a lie.

I agree that letting someone believe a lie is not love.  But branding them tools of Satan and calling them filth isn't love either, is it?  Surely you can tell someone they are believing incorrectly without acting in such a hate-full manner?

You are maybe motivated to correct my (perceived) error by love, but the way you (particularly Mr. Winter) are acting is nothing like love.  You cannot do one (be motivated by love) and not the other (act in love).

My original point is simply that Stumpofjesse asked honest, polite questions, and was called hateful names.  Whatever your opinion of the trinity, hating others is in direct opposition to what Jesus commanded.  The scriptures commanding us to love one another as ourselves, and to refrain from judging, cannot be ignored.

[Bro. Alan]

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Cor. 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cor. 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


If we come against false doctrine, we are judging righteously, and not according to appearance.

[Bro. Steve Winter]

is that all you whiny trinity filth can come up with to try to justify deceiving souls into hell?

I am disappointed that I have already become your enemy.  You don't even know my opinion of the trinity, as I've never stated it, so how can you call me 'trinity filth'?

When you defend a devil then you label yourself as a devil.  You are not my enemy when you do things like that, you are God's enemy.  Don't blame the mailman for the news.

Bro. Steve Winter

[freeway986]

Mr. Alan,

Those verses do not address the issue.  The issue is whether or not Mr. Winter is loving his neighbor as himself when he calls stumpofjesse and myself 'whiny trinity filth'.  I understand that he feels he has the right to judge others (despite clear scripture prohibiting this), but he most certainly does not have the right to do it in a hateful manner.

Mr. Winter,

You ignored the second half of my post, the part that was rather more important than the half you responded to.

You are in direct, self-admitted, contradiction with Holy Scripture, by not loving your neighbor as yourself.  Will you respond?  Or will you only choose to obey some verses in scripture and ignore others?

[Bro. Steve Winter]

You are in direct, self-admitted, contradiction with Holy Scripture, by not loving your neighbor as yourself.  Will you respond?  Or will you only choose to obey some verses in scripture and ignore others?

You filthy ignorant false-christian scum!  I love my neighbor enough to come against filthy false-christian scum like yourself.

May the God of Heaven reward you according to your filthy works.

Bro. Winter

[bear]

I personally believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that He came to die on the cross to pay for the sins of all who would accept Him, was crucified, rose on the third day and is sitting at the right hand of God acting as our intermediary.  I have confessed my sins to Him and have asked for His forgiveness and that He would be my Lord and my Saviour.  I have been baptized and believe that I have been born again.  In your opinion, acknowledging that only God knows the heart, do you believe that I am saved and a child of God, or, is there some further requirements?

Bear

[Bro. Steve Winter]

I personally believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that He came to die on the cross to pay for the sins of all who would accept Him, was crucified, rose on the third day and is sitting at the right hand of God acting as our intermediary.  I have confessed my sins to Him and have asked for His forgiveness and that He would be my Lord and my Saviour.  I have been baptized and believe that I have been born again.  In your opinion, acknowledging that only God knows the heart, do you believe that I am saved and a child of God, or, is there some further requirements?

Bear

Well the real question here is why you would in your wildest dreams think that you even might be a Christian without obeying what the Apostles preached and taught?

Why would you ever imagine yourself to be saved by following instructions that were not invented by the false church until years after the Apostles were dead?

Does your religion match the Acts 2:38 religion that the Apostles preached and practiced?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Why would anyone want to bet their soul that God was just kidding about Acts 2:38?  Or that God was just kidding about what He had in store for all who refused to obey?

2Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Thess 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Don't bet your soul that God is just kidding about things.

Did you know that in the Bible if someone would not obey that they were counted to be a "non-believer"?

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Sincerly,

Bro. Winter

[bear]

Well the real question here is why you would in your wildest dreams think that you even might be a Christian without obeying what the Apostles preached and taught?

Why would you ever imagine yourself to be saved by following instructions that were not invented by the false church until years after the Apostles were dead? 

Would you be so kind as to explain for me exactly what instructions that I have been following, and, what “false church” are you referring to?

  Does your religion match the Acts 2:38 religion that the Apostles preached and practiced? 

I prefer to use the word “belief” rather than “religion”, but yes, I concur with Acts 2:38,39 the same as I do all scripture.

  Why would anyone want to bet their soul that God was just kidding about Acts 2:38?  Or that God was just kidding about what He had in store for all who refused to obey? 

Are you saying that “I” believe that God was just kidding about v38, and if you are, why would you say that?

   Don't bet your soul that God is just kidding about things. 

What gave you the impression that I believe God was “just kidding” about anything?  I happen to believe God said exactly what He meant and meant exactly what He said in the entire Bible, do you not?

  Did you know that in the Bible if someone would not obey that they were counted to be a "non-believer"?

Yes, are you suggesting that I am not obedient and if so, in what way? 

With all due respect Sir, the tone of your response seems to be antagonistic, is there a reason for that?

In addition, you did not answer the question that I asked, could you not simply say yes, or no, and give the reason for your answer?

[Bro. Steve Winter]

What gave you the impression that I believe God was “just kidding” about anything?  I happen to believe God said exactly what He meant and meant exactly what He said in the entire Bible, do you not?

I perceive that you are a liar and a deceiver.  I don't play games with deceiving devils here.

Bro. Winter

[Bro. Alan]

Bear,

Have you been baptized in Jesus' name, or a Trinity formula?

[Bro. Steve Winter]

Bear,

Have you been baptized in Jesus' name, or a Trinity formula?

It looks like "Bear" is a false-chrsitian scum now sending me harassing emails as "Ted Evans".  He was only here to deceive and try to play "nicey nicey" as he deceived as many souls into hell as he could.

I saw through his little game early on and he confirmed it with his harassing emails.

Regards,

Bro. Winter

[rapture_ready_ru]

praise the Lord....how wonderful it is to learn that God Almighty came off his throne to put on a fleshly suit and die for us for our sins, can we not all give him his due.....


           Malachi 2:10    Have we not all one Father?  Hath not one God created us? ect........


           1Cor 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
                         and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

[Bro. Steve Winter]

praise the Lord....how wonderful it is to learn that God Almighty came off his throne to put on a fleshly suit and die for us for our sins, can we not all give him his due.....


           Malachi 2:10    Have we not all one Father?  Hath not one God created us? ect........


           1Cor 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
                         and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

1Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Regards,

Bro. Winter
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