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« on: July 26, 2009, 10:29:56 AM »

I have a question that maybe someone here can help me with...
As many of you know, I attend a UPCI congregation. It is there that the Lord revealed Himself to me. Since then, I have talked to many of you, including Bro. Winters, and the Christian Contender about "problems" I have with different "doctrines" embraced by them. By the way, I appreciate the concern and counsel of both of you...My concern now is this...even though my local church avoids many of the pitfalls the upci has embraced, does my tithe and offerings go to support in part, those pitfalls? I am asking my pastor the same thing, but, if memory serves, Bro. Winters, you used to be associated with the UPCI...any idea of what each local assembly is sending to the "governing body"? I just really felt convicted this morning, when I put the money in the plate..."what is this money being used for?" I believe the Bible expressly forbids women pastors...and if I am sending money to do just that, I am a participant in it. Any comments would be welcome...
The Lord Jesus bless you...
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »

women pastors...and if I am sending money to do just that, I am a participant in it. Any comments would be welcome...
The Lord Jesus bless you...
Sower

That is kind of a hard question. I remained in the UPCI for a number of years hoping that things would get better and the pastor would start obeying the Bible in certain areas.  It sounds like you already have your answer from the Lord.

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Bro. Winter
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 09:59:25 AM »

I really feel like you are missing the point of titheing, if you are giving as unto God, then He will accept it and bless it... I too was a minister in the UPCI, however I've only ever met one Woman that was even close to being a Pastor, and that was Maralyn Kasowski in SF Ca. And her son Richard was considered tha Pastor of that church... She revealed beautiful truths of God's word, without teaching anything or excerping authority over any men... We can gag at a nat all day long, and at the end of the day if we end up swollowing the camel of manmade religion we have still lost the battle... Read your word, always make sure to go back to the KJV and reference everything, then allow the Holy Ghost to lead and guide you into all truth, God IS Faithful... Follow after Truth!  Dave
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 10:06:24 AM »

I really feel like you are missing the point of titheing, if you are giving as unto God, then He will accept it and bless it... I too was a minister in the UPCI, however I've only ever met one Woman that was even close to being a Pastor, and that was Maralyn Kasowski in SF Ca. And her son Richard was considered tha Pastor of that church... She revealed beautiful truths of God's word, without teaching anything or excerping authority over any men... We can gag at a nat all day long, and at the end of the day if we end up swollowing the camel of manmade religion we have still lost the battle... Read your word, always make sure to go back to the KJV and reference everything, then allow the Holy Ghost to lead and guide you into all truth, God IS Faithful... Follow after Truth!  Dave

Do you think that people who tithe to trinity cults get credit with God?   What about those who give money to Muslim mosques?

 A woman preacher is on the same level with God as a witch because of her rebellion.

You have shown in one post that you are no preacher.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 08:41:34 AM »

I'd like to add another wrinkle here. Is tithing a requirement for the new testament church?

Hebrews 7 seems to indicate that the tithe was part of the law and, as such, was fulfilled in Christ. Couple this with the fact that after the Gospels (for the Gospels tell the story of Jesus fulfilling the Law that those in that time period were still under), asides from the above mentioned passage, there is no mention of any command at all for the church to tithe. There are many references to the church making freewill offerings, so we are supposed to give. It seems to me that the tithe (though I do believe that God will bless people who give- whether tithing or offering) system holds many people in a system of bondage. Whereas, freewill offerings are a joy that bring no bondage at all. I'm really curious how you all feel about this. I'm really trying to "rightly divide the word". Any comments?

I am not as strong as some preachers on it, but while it was law was it not moral law as well?   The ceremonial law and sacrifice was fulfilled but...

Matt 5:17 ¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus re-confirming tithing.

Some things are still here.  It is very cool to eat a ham sandwich but it is still abomination for a woman to wear trousers or a man to wear a dress.

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